The AE911Truth Petition
To the Members of the House of Representatives and of the Senate of the United States of America,
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
Featured Petition Signers
Arnaud BéRard, It Engineer
Engineer, IT, 3IL, France
No need to be an engineer to understand that the official story is false.
Arnaud BéRard, It Engineer
Engineer, IT, 3IL, France
Paris, IDF, France
I graduated in 2002 from 3IL, a french engineer school in IT, and I'm now a pre-sales Engineer for Sagemcom.
No need to be an engineer to understand that the official story is false.
Paul Wilkerson, Enginneer
Engineering, New Mexico State
the collapses would warrant an investigation There are many problems that have not been answered.
Paul Wilkerson, Enginneer
Engineering, New Mexico State
San Angelo, TX
graduated top of class in electrical engineering new mexico state university. Work in construction field
the collapses would warrant an investigation There are many problems that have not been answered.
Gordon P. Watson, BSc
Electrical Engineer
BSc Electrical & Electronic Engineering, University of South Wales, Wales, UK, 1997
I find it unbelievable that the 2 towers came down in the controlled ways they did, as a result of an impact from an airplane. For the 3rd…
Gordon P. Watson, BSc
BSc Electrical & Electronic Engineering, University of South Wales, Wales, UK, 1997
Clunderwen, United Kingdom
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
Numerous qualifications up to BSc. degree level. Taught electrical engineering at college, up to degree level, for 12 years. Now working as freelance engineer.
I find it unbelievable that the 2 towers came down in the controlled ways they did, as a result of an impact from an airplane. For the 3rd tower to have come down, as a result of an internal fire caused by the other towers 100m away, is simply incredulous.
Catherine Marion
Retired Air Force, Mental Health Counselor
Masters, Marriage and Family Therapy
It is evident to me now that it was all a lie - the narrative is what military members were fed in order to do the bidding of…
Catherine Marion
Masters, Marriage and Family Therapy
Niceville, FL
Occupation: Retired Air Force, Mental Health Counselor
Retired USAF Special Operations Aviator 1989-2011. Part of initial push into Afghanistan, October 19, 2001 and multiple other deployments ISO Operation Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom.
It is evident to me now that it was all a lie - the narrative is what military members were fed in order to do the bidding of those who want to advance the military industrial complex and the WEF/UN agenda.
Michael A. Mcdonald, BEng (Hons)
BEng Hons, Engineering, Royal Naval Engi
I observed the entire event and both collapses from my office window of 110 William Street facing West. What I saw bears no resemblance to what is portrayed…
Michael A. Mcdonald, BEng (Hons)
BEng Hons, Engineering, Royal Naval Engi
New York, NY
32 years experience. Electrical Control Systems and Distribution Systems for Iron and Steel Industry, Coal Mining. (9 years) British Royal Navy. Lieutenant Marine Engineering Officer (10 Years) Engineering Consultant New York. Electrical Control and Distribution Systems for Movable and other Bridges and Tunnels (16 years)
I observed the entire event and both collapses from my office window of 110 William Street facing West. What I saw bears no resemblance to what is portrayed as the mode of failure. When the top of the South Tower fell away to the East and down, I fully expected to see the jagged remains of the floors beneath still standing. I was taken aback when the smoke cleared and learned that the entire building had collapsed. It did not make any sense to me then and still makes no sense now.
Lloyd L. Mcdaniel
Pump Repairman
I recorded on VCR tape the collapse of those buildings the very day they occurred and have been able to review the original broadcasts of that day. I…
Lloyd L. Mcdaniel
Henryetta, OK
Occupation: Pump Repairman
Over 10 years of experience in building construction and maintenance. 4 years auto mechanic. At least 12 years of manufacturing, tree removal, and agriculture work. Thorough knowledge of mechanical and natural forces and results.
I recorded on VCR tape the collapse of those buildings the very day they occurred and have been able to review the original broadcasts of that day. I have recordings from at least 3 networks recorded that day. I accepted the official stories at that time without question. Only after reviewing information on the internet was I compelled to review my old tapes to confirm that I was not being pranked. My conclusion is that the buildings fell as a result of controlled demolition.
Lou W. Monter, Engineering Cons
BS Math
My life time of using logic wherever it leads and critical thinking enabled me to quickly see 9/11 was a huge government sanctioned lie. It is almost a…
Lou W. Monter, Engineering Cons
BS Math
Spokane, WA
Professional computer programmer and system designer for 45 years Got in when all we used was ones and zeros.
My life time of using logic wherever it leads and critical thinking enabled me to quickly see 9/11 was a huge government sanctioned lie. It is almost a carbon copy of Pearl Harbor where the US government at the highest levels decided murdering US Citizens was a price that had to be paid to achieve their ends. If you look at the thousands of Strange Coincidences and plug the individual odds into a probability model the chance 9/11 occurred without tacit and active support at the highest levels of government is a decimal point followed by innumerable zeros preceding the one. For example on 9/11 the average loading of a airplane flying to the west coast from the east was about 75%. The four hijacked airplanes were loaded at an average of less than 30% With the flight shot down over Pennsylvania loaded at 20%. The odds on this single 9/11 factor is much less than 1 in 10,000. The official story of 9/11 is a deadly fairy tale. I do not understand how any person with an ounce of critical thinking skills could believe it.
Fred A. De Santo, AIA
BA Univ of KY 1967
Lost in the fog. I have been on personal crusade about the lies and cover up way before 9/11. Expected as much and believe more is coming. Life…
Fred A. De Santo, AIA
BA Univ of KY 1967
Ukiah, CA
40 years experience. Founded one of America's first eco. Non-Profit. Recipient of many energy sustainable awards, AIA Awards International awards. Attended Columbia Masters program 69'. Front lines of Ecology, sustainability and space migration.
Lost in the fog. I have been on personal crusade about the lies and cover up way before 9/11. Expected as much and believe more is coming. Life will become battle of political world domination vs. global warming. Thus Space Migration. As an Architect practicing around the world, I believe in my profession and want to defend the architects of record for WTC and compare the new test against their design.
Clark J. Fox
Civil Engineer
B.S. Civil Engineering, University of Wisconsin-Madison, 2011
The official statement doesn't match the evidence gathered on this site and I would like an official investigation to determine what actually happened.
Clark J. Fox
B.S. Civil Engineering, University of Wisconsin-Madison, 2011
Little Chute, WI
Occupation: Civil Engineer
Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering December 2011 from University of Wisconsin - Madison. Worked for Civil Engineering company for five years then started my own company. Specialized in agricultural and stormwater design. Have a structural background from school and design work.
The official statement doesn't match the evidence gathered on this site and I would like an official investigation to determine what actually happened.
Matthew B. Di Lorenzo, PE
Mechanical Engineering
ME Mech. Eng., Rensselaer Polytechnic
Though attacked at substantially different elevations, both towers' collapse mode and debris footprint were almost identical to each other. Statistically this defies belief except in the case of…
Matthew B. Di Lorenzo, PE
ME Mech. Eng., Rensselaer Polytechnic
Weatherford, TX
Occupation: Mechanical Engineering
I am a Licensed Professional Engineer in Mechanical Engineering. I worked for 16 years for Stone & Webster Engineering on both Nuclear and Petrochemical plants worldwide with heavy experience in stress analysis.
Though attacked at substantially different elevations, both towers' collapse mode and debris footprint were almost identical to each other. Statistically this defies belief except in the case of a professionally engineered demolition. The collapse of Building 7 defies any belief at all, and should never have happened at all without outside interference. There is no point in listing the many other technical reasons that cause me to sign this petition, since the internet is full of reports on valid inconsistencies or omissions in the 9-11 commission report.
Brittanny Belanger, CET, EIT, LEED Green Associate
Project Coordinator
University of Ottawa
Appropriate measures should be taken for a thorough investigation of the integrity of the Twins following the 9/11 aircraft attack.
Brittanny Belanger, CET, EIT, LEED Green Associate
University of Ottawa
Ottawa, ON, Canada
Occupation: Project Coordinator
Certified Engineering Technologist, Engineer-in-Training, & LEED Green Associate
Appropriate measures should be taken for a thorough investigation of the integrity of the Twins following the 9/11 aircraft attack.
Nick Gier
Mechanical Engineer
B.S. Mechanical Engineering, Ohio State University, 2010.
The vast amount of evidence I have seen presented in the numerous AE911 documentaries, webinars, etc. that refutes the official conclusions of NIST is alarming and disturbing. The…
Nick Gier
B.S. Mechanical Engineering, Ohio State University, 2010.
Mason, OH
Occupation: Mechanical Engineer
I have a BSME from Ohio State University (graduated 2010). I passed the fundamentals of engineering exam and have yet to take the PE exam to get certified (I would like to at some point). Currently I work in the aerospace industry as a contractor to General Electric Marine division who supplies aeroderivative gas turbine packages to marine customers (primarily navies) around the world. I have 10 years professional experience. I have worked on many root cause analysis investigations as wellwhere it is imperative to consider all evidence to conclude probable failure modes and make proper recommendations for corrective actions.
The vast amount of evidence I have seen presented in the numerous AE911 documentaries, webinars, etc. that refutes the official conclusions of NIST is alarming and disturbing. The evidence is overwhelming and needs to be addressed in an official investigation.
Petition Signatories
Robert J. Spinarski, Paperboy
Stillwater, MN
Occupation: Electronics
Education: AAS in Automated Systems Tech.
Robert J. Spinarski, Paperboy
AAS in Automated Systems Tech.
Stillwater, MN
Occupation: Electronics
Keith M. Clemens, A&P, IA
Springfield, IL
Education: A&P/IA St Louis Univ
Keith M. Clemens, A&P, IA
A&P/IA St Louis Univ
Springfield, IL
I have worked with metals all my life, being an aircraft mechanic. I have also worked in the construction field.
All the damage & heat was at the top of the buildings. This couldn't affect all the lower portions of the structure. As stated elsewhere, there was no resistance to the fall beneath the damaged portions of the buildings. This, in my opinion, had to be done by controlled explosives.
Pat Burns
Philadelphia, PA
Occupation: A Very Concerned Patriotic Grandmother
Pat Burns
Philadelphia, PA
Occupation: A Very Concerned Patriotic Grandmother
I am a Widow and Grandmother, I have lived in Philadelphia, PA all my life. I graduated High School and Attended 2 years of College. I raised 4 children, (1 is now deceased), and have 6 Grandchildren. I have worked mostly in the Medical Field (non-Professional) in a Hospital and Doctor's Office. I have also done Volunteer work in a Hospital.
I have seen many large buildings imploded om TV. I have also heard many experts explain how it is done, in great detail. When I saw the Towers fall on 911, the first thing I thought of was that it looked just like an implosion. Later that day I heard about Building 7 coming down exactly like the Towers. After reading the articles and seeing film on your Website, you have presented much more evidence that certainly looks like the Towers were imploded. I have been following the stories about explosives for years, and those stories, along with what I saw with my own eyes, lead me to doubt the official story. This must be investigated. Americans deserve to know the truth.
Virgil D. Brewer, Reverend
Windsor, ON, Canada
Occupation: Mathematics
Education: B.S. in Mathematics, Ohio University
Virgil D. Brewer, Reverend
B.S. in Mathematics, Ohio University
Windsor, ON, Canada
Occupation: Mathematics
U.S. citizen, former math teacher, presently an ordained Unity minister in Southgate, Michigan.
It is quite obvious that the 3 buildings were intentionally brought down by demolition.
Richard Oberg
Fresno, CA
Occupation: Retired
Richard Oberg
Fresno, CA
Occupation: Retired
Elizabeth A. Campbell, Staffing And Ops
Springfield, MO
Occupation: Staffing Coordinator, Vs
Elizabeth A. Campbell, Staffing And Ops
Springfield, MO
Occupation: Staffing Coordinator, Vs
Joseph White
Cleveland, OH
Occupation: Well Informed Humanbean
Joseph White
Cleveland, OH
Occupation: Well Informed Humanbean
Ian A. Of The Family Of Andrews
Yuma, AZ
Occupation: Philosophy And Psychology, Law Research
Education: BA English
Ian A. Of The Family Of Andrews
BA English
Yuma, AZ
Occupation: Philosophy And Psychology, Law Research
I have experience in a wide ranging background, including but not limited to the following: graphic arts, typography, legal assistant, researcher, book editor, religious studies scholar, monastic member of a contemplative religious order, psychological counselor, and writer.
It was obvious to me, after watching in disbelief the crumbling of the WTC buildings that we the people were never going to be allowed to get at the truth surrounding this event. After hearing and reading expert opinions about how the buildings could not have collapsed in the way they did without the use of strategically placed explosives, and of the first hand accounts of people who were there while it was occurring who testified that they heard loud explosive sounds at or about the same time that the collapses were taking place, it became obvious to me, at least, that since this information was either being discounted or completely ignored by the mainstream-government-controlled-media that we were not going to get to the bottom of the truth regarding what happened on September 11, 2001 in New York City at the World Trade Center.
Marian Brucker
Phoenix, AZ
Occupation: US Citizen
Marian Brucker
Phoenix, AZ
Occupation: US Citizen
I am a senior citizen concerned about inconsistencies over what is reported in the news and elsewhere.
Many knowledgeable people say the buildings fell like buildings purposely demolished with bombs, etc., not from a fire started from an airplane. Also, people in the area say they heard explosions coming from the building. We need a well planned investigation of what really happened and who was responsible.
David Rubin
Brooklyn, NY
Occupation: Real Estate
Education: High School
David Rubin
High School
Brooklyn, NY
Occupation: Real Estate
I hope truth will one day surface we deserve to know the truth I am an smart knowledgeable guy who wants some closure.
Dwight T. Gregg
Saint Louis, MO
Occupation: General Studies
Education: student
Dwight T. Gregg
student
Saint Louis, MO
Occupation: General Studies
High school diploma 1978. Three credit hours from a Bachelors Degree from Murray State University. Three college credits from an Associates Degree in General Studies from Meramec Community College.
I have heard Mr R Gage's presentation and am in full agreement with his assessments and conclusion. I believe that a New and independent investigation free from parties with conflicts of interest be undertaken with full consideration given scope of facts now known this day June 10, 2009.
Roger Haeske
South River, NJ
Occupation: Health, Fitness And Personal Growth
Education: B.S. Sports Management, Rutgers Universi
Roger Haeske
B.S. Sports Management, Rutgers Universi
South River, NJ
Occupation: Health, Fitness And Personal Growth
I educate people on improving their health and fitness at my site http://RogerHaeske.com. Also at http://LightningSpeedFitness.com and http://HowToGoRaw.com
For many years I believed the official version of 9/11. But now after reviewing the evidence in great detail I firmly believe that 9/11 was an inside job. There simply is no other rational explanation. There's no way building number 7 should have collapsed unless it was demolished with explosives.
Michael W. Ivey
Fayetteville, NC
Occupation: Business Owner
Michael W. Ivey
Fayetteville, NC
Occupation: Business Owner
I am a small business owner operator. I have been in business for myself for the past 15 or so years.
I have never believed that this tragedy was any thing but a plot. I am not sure who or exactly why but I think our government had some hand in it. It's a sad state of affairs when a citizen of a country has the type of feeling that I have.
Lawrence R. Gasior, Tool And Die Mak
South Park, PA
Occupation: Manufacturing
Lawrence R. Gasior, Tool And Die Mak
South Park, PA
Occupation: Manufacturing
Tool And Die Maker since 1977. Extremely experienced at heat treating steel used during the production of steel structures, aircraft and automobiles.
I don't know who was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, but I do know that the official explanation of what happened is not backed up by scientific evidence or by the laws of physics. The unprecedented collapse of WTC 1, 2 and 7 at almost free fall speed, the evidence that thermite was present at the crime scene, and the fact that dozens of witnesses heard explosions shortly before the towers collapsed is reason enough to launch a new independent investigation committee, which would have the power to subpoena all witnesses.
Kevin M. Young
Kirkland, WA
Occupation: Small Business Owner
Education: B.A. Business English
Kevin M. Young
B.A. Business English
Kirkland, WA
Occupation: Small Business Owner
I am a serial entrepreneur who lived in New York City and know a lot of people there.
I had some colleagues and constituents in one of those buildings. I was down the street in 1993 when the first bombs were set off and didn't know much about what was going on. When I saw this catastrophe unfold on TV in Seattle, I was stunned and even more, curious as to how buildings like that, which I had been to the top of before, could pancake. Watching how they demolish building on TV before I was very curious as to what really happened now I believe there is something far more evil at work.
Melissa A. Sandlin
Greenville, TX
Occupation: Phlebotomist
Education: degreed & licensed
Melissa A. Sandlin
degreed & licensed
Greenville, TX
Occupation: Phlebotomist
42 year old, American worker that thinks that there is a lot more to the story than the government is telling.
On 9/11, when I saw the towers come down, I immediately thought that it look like when they implode buildings for demolition. And they came down to perfectly straight and at to much speed.
Linda Buck
Lawndale, CA
Linda Buck
Lawndale, CA
Rochelle C. Eber, BFA
New York, NY
Occupation: Designer
Education: BFA
Rochelle C. Eber, BFA
BFA
New York, NY
Occupation: Designer
I am not an engineer, architect, or physicist. I am a designer who has listened to the presentation by Richard Gage, and I want to support his efforts in having the truth be known about what actually happened on 9/11/2001.
Listening to a presentation by Richard Gage I no longer support the government's position that this was an attack. I want the truth known about these building collapses. There is just too much contrary evidence to support the assertion there was no US government involvement in this. As a US citizen, I DEMAND an investigation of the TRUE intent behind 9/11, and an investigation of what really happened, as these building collapses were a controlled demolition. There are just many coincidences and facts to think otherwise. This NEEDS to be investigated and the people need to be told the truth about what actually happened on this day!
Ralph Molesworth
Shrewsbury, PA
Occupation: IT
Education: Degreed
Ralph Molesworth
Degreed
Shrewsbury, PA
Occupation: IT
Richard Hurlburt, Cincerned Citize
Las Vegas, NV
Occupation: Retired
Education: Real Estate
Richard Hurlburt, Cincerned Citize
Real Estate
Las Vegas, NV
Occupation: Retired
I just personally know that it wasn't terrorist that did this to our people, it came from right here in the USA.
It was a controlled collapse, it was professionally imploded, the planes had nothing to do with the collapse, just chaos.
Allen J. Kane
Hamburg, NY
Occupation: Electronic Tech
Education: Degreed
Allen J. Kane
Degreed
Hamburg, NY
Occupation: Electronic Tech
Dave F. Mccoy
Tucson, AZ
Occupation: Truck Driver
Dave F. Mccoy
Tucson, AZ
Occupation: Truck Driver
A concerned citizen thinking that a new investigation needs to be done.
Strange how all the evidence points toward other things than the official investigation.
Leslie Sherburne
Flippin, AR
Occupation: Retiree
Leslie Sherburne
Flippin, AR
Occupation: Retiree
I am an American citizen who has always believed the us Gov. planned and carried out this plan.
This event reminded me of the Murrough Building in Oklahoma. I still believe Timothy McVey was a scapegoat.
Steven P. Butler
Klamath Falls, OR
Occupation: Auto Body And Paint
Steven P. Butler
Klamath Falls, OR
Occupation: Auto Body And Paint
Sarah M. Hamilton
Canastota, NY
Occupation: Sad American
Sarah M. Hamilton
Canastota, NY
Occupation: Sad American
High School graduate and student of the world. Parent, grandparent and great grandparent.
It is still so painful to me. I cannot watch the video without being emotional and sad.
Randy M. Cable, Driver
Maryville, TN
Occupation: Truck Driver
Randy M. Cable, Driver
Maryville, TN
Occupation: Truck Driver
Professional local truck driver. 51 years old. Married with 2 children.
I just hope Congress will have a fully impartial investigation. Due to 9/11 Commission report it appears that the V.P. was in command of the operation,i.e. the maintained stand down order while the planes were tracked by radar, one for 30 minutes and the other for 35 minutes respectively. Why ?
Maridee Broadfoot, Health Care Prac
San Luis Obispo, CA
Occupation: Health Care
Education: Master of Arts, Holy Names College
Maridee Broadfoot, Health Care Prac
Master of Arts, Holy Names College
San Luis Obispo, CA
Occupation: Health Care
Native Californian, BA University of CA, Berkeley, MA Holy Names College, Oakland, CA. 30+ years in health care administration/community clinics practitioner/holistic health practitioner. Lifelong patriot, advocate for human rights, and doggedly determined to have the government be of the people, by the people, and for the people, once again.
It's time for truth telling and a culling of rampant corruption and cover-ups in this, our supposed free and independent nation. I have observed a steady takeover of our government and freedom since the early sixties. Eisenhower was right, that we need to beware of the powers of the military- industrial complex, including Departments of Defense and National Security. Who's really in charge of the obviously choreographed downfall of our nation? And for the sake of our ancestors' hard won liberty, and generations to come, let's exercise our constitutional rights and laws to save our country,.. before it's too late for eleventh hour intervention!
Jeff Fenske
Anchorage, AK
Occupation: Airline Freight Handler
Jeff Fenske
Anchorage, AK
Occupation: Airline Freight Handler
I'm a concerned citizen, college grad (not in a tech field), interested in the truth, and an airline worker of 30 years. I know, firsthand how relatively inflammable jet fuel really is; though, the public thinks it's a hot burning fuel, because it has the word 'jet' in it. We used to use jet fuel in all of our diesel ground equipment, no problem; though, diesel fuel can't be used in jets, because it's too 'dirty.' Thank you.
It's been clear to me that sooty black, burning jet fuel cannot melt steel. The fact that it was molten for about 3 weeks after the event should be evidence enough that a thorough investigation is needed. Thank you.
Maurleen A. O'dwyer
Kenner, LA
Occupation: House Wife And Mother
Maurleen A. O'dwyer
Kenner, LA
Occupation: House Wife And Mother
I did not study anything to do with architecture or engineering. I have no degree in this area at all. So I can speak from that point of view.
When I first saw it go down, it got my attention. Then time after time I said that building imploded!. It seemed evident to me and I then wondered how and why!
Tricia Casper
Pasadena, CA
Occupation: Biology
Education: Biology Degree
Tricia Casper
Biology Degree
Pasadena, CA
Occupation: Biology
I have a degree in biology and am currently working as a dog behaviorist and adoptions counselor at a local animal shelter. My background also includes zookeeping, dog boarding and daycare, and working with animals in the entertainment industry.
I remember very clearly watching the towers collapse, but had not thought about the way in which they collapsed until I heard the theories mentioned on Coast To Coast. When I brought it up with my husband the next day, he said he had also heard the same theories before and was as inclined as I was to believe them.
Karen L. Dunham, M.a., English
Sedona, AZ
Occupation: Education
Education: B.S., Biology, SDSU; M.A., English, OSU
Karen L. Dunham, M.a., English
B.S., Biology, SDSU; M.A., English, OSU
Sedona, AZ
Occupation: Education
I have worked during the past twenty-five years as an environmental consultant, research assistant, laboratory assistant, technician, and educator. Having worked with numerous scientists and engineers, I have a long-standing interest in and respect for the physical and natural sciences, as well as for the principles of architecture. I respect the education and experience of the architects, engineers, and other professionals whose names are on this petition.
After researching currently available information, I now seriously doubt the official explanation about the collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7. This issue definitely merits further investigation, and the American people certainly deserve as much.
Chris M. Orr
Orinda, CA
Occupation: Art
Education: student
Chris M. Orr
student
Orinda, CA
Occupation: Art
Randi Kish
Saratoga Springs, NY
Occupation: Education
Education: BFA/MA
Randi Kish
BFA/MA
Saratoga Springs, NY
Occupation: Education
I am a public school art teacher in upstate NY. I've worked in the same district for over 20 years. I am a mother of 3 grown professional children, and I am a ceramic artist. I grew up on Long Island, and left for college to pursue a Bachelors of Fine arts degree from Kent state University in Kent, Ohio, in studio art, minor in education. My Masters of Arts degree is in Education from Russell Sage college in Troy, NY.
There is too much evidence against the official gov't storyline explaining the collapse of the WTC buildings. The truth of what really happened needs to be revealed. All 3 of the WTC buildings fell in the way that buildings fall when there is a planned, carefully choreographed demolition using explosives..there needs to be a truth seeking investigation, unconnected in all ways to the gov't.