The AE911Truth Petition
To the Members of the House of Representatives and of the Senate of the United States of America,
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
Featured Petition Signers
Freddy Dawoud
Pe Mechanical, Msme
B. Mechanical Engineer, Stony Brook University, 2002.
Tall slim buildings bear high side wind loads in hurricanes, so they are inherently designed and built to sustain a multiple of their own weight at the columns.…
Freddy Dawoud
B. Mechanical Engineer, Stony Brook University, 2002.
Bellflower, CA
Occupation: Pe Mechanical, Msme
Worked over 20 years in design and fabrication of large Mobile Steel structures for port cranes.
Tall slim buildings bear high side wind loads in hurricanes, so they are inherently designed and built to sustain a multiple of their own weight at the columns. The top parts were weaker structures than the bottom section of the building. Top would have certainly destroyed itself at the first hammer blow to the much stronger and intact core columns. It is SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE that those buildings could have collapsed so fast and so perfectly vertically without something quickly kicking and removing the column joints from underneath; especially the core columns. We should have seen and heard a hammer blow, collapse of the top part on itself, and then a side slide of the top section, with the bottom part staying put. Instead, we saw the top perfectly intact dropping through a cloud of air filled with dust. Not only did 3000 innocents perish inside the rubble, but this country sent its boys to war on three more countries with hundreds of thousands more innocents dead and maimed because what really happened was hidden from Americans. The climate of shock and fear stopped rational thinking and made people believe convenient lies rather than face the difficult truth. It is the patriotic duty of the nation's educated and professionals to arouse and illuminate the public awareness into seeking THE TRUTH.
Donald G. Weekes, PE
B.A.Sc. Engineering, U of Waterloo ON
The Bldg #7 NIST report of thermal expansion initiating a global gravity collapse, is not supported by the video evidence of gravity free fall without resistance of the…
Donald G. Weekes, PE
B.A.Sc. Engineering, U of Waterloo ON
Hamilton, ON, Canada
2 Years, Ggosco Engineering, Oakville ON. Prj Engineer. 5 Years, Zenon Environmental, Burlington ON, Prj Engineer. 2 Years, Weekes Engineering, Hamilton ON. Consulting Engineer.
The Bldg #7 NIST report of thermal expansion initiating a global gravity collapse, is not supported by the video evidence of gravity free fall without resistance of the structural members below, which would inhibit the fall of the structure. Thermite evidence is very strong. Controlled demo is strongly supported, not weakened steel strength due to fires, most of which were diminished. Twin towers have strong evidence of controlled demolition.
Terje E. Holthe, Sivilingeni√∏R
Bachelor of Science, Civil Engineering
With all the evidence and all the unanswered questions around the 9/11 Destruction of the 3 Skyscrapers, I fully support the effort for the truth to be revealed.…
Terje E. Holthe, Sivilingeni√∏R
Bachelor of Science, Civil Engineering
Drammen, Buskerud, Norway
Bachelor of Science, Civil Engineering, Iowa State University of Science and Technology, 1967. Have mainly worked on ecological projects in Denmark and Norway, and now as Feng Shui Consultant.
With all the evidence and all the unanswered questions around the 9/11 Destruction of the 3 Skyscrapers, I fully support the effort for the truth to be revealed. In this way the values that the USA was built on, can be restored, both in the USA and in the eyes of the world.
Peter J. Kosmoski, PE
BSCE
I am very impressed with the work of Jonathon Cole with respect to the characteristics and abilities of thermitic/thermatic devices.
Peter J. Kosmoski, PE
BSCE
Spring, TX
I have conducted approximately 2,000 forensic engineering evaluations of commercial and residential structures, and reviewed another approximately 500 evaluations performed by other engineers. My structural evaluations have been performed in order to determine the cause(s) of storm damage, foundation movement, water intrusion and vehicle impacts.
I am very impressed with the work of Jonathon Cole with respect to the characteristics and abilities of thermitic/thermatic devices.
Alexander A. Higgins
Electrical Engineer
B.S. Electrical Engineering, University of California, 2012
I don't know everything that happened, but what did happen is not reflected in the official story. Steel is not melted by jet fuel, and world trade building…
Alexander A. Higgins
B.S. Electrical Engineering, University of California, 2012
San Diego, CA
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
Electrical engineer with mechanical engineering product design experience and expert in materials. Been researching 911 for five years searching for the truth.
I don't know everything that happened, but what did happen is not reflected in the official story. Steel is not melted by jet fuel, and world trade building 7 did not fall because of office fires.
Melvin E. Mackey
Retired
BS Physics and Mathematics
Sufficient doubt exists concerning the destruction of the twin towers and building 7 to justify a scientific investigation from credible scientists to be approved and funded by the…
Melvin E. Mackey
BS Physics and Mathematics
Vashon, WA
Occupation: Retired
31 years as an engineer at The Boeing Company. No specific training in demolition of buildings.
Sufficient doubt exists concerning the destruction of the twin towers and building 7 to justify a scientific investigation from credible scientists to be approved and funded by the federal government.
Judith MeléNdrez Bayardo, Arq.
Architect
Architecture degree, La Universidad National Autonoma de Mexico, 2013
The rest of the world must know the truth about the event that changed the course of life of millions of people on earth. It must never happen…
Judith MeléNdrez Bayardo, Arq.
Architecture degree, La Universidad National Autonoma de Mexico, 2013
MXico City, Mexico
Occupation: Architect
My work experience is in the recovery of public space, renovation of educational infrastructure, and architectural heritage. I'm a socially committed architect working for just causes and marginalized communities. I'm working for the right to the city, truth, dignity, peace and justice for people.
The rest of the world must know the truth about the event that changed the course of life of millions of people on earth. It must never happen again. There must be a trial and punishment of the culprits.
Francesca E. Rogier, PhD
Architect
MSc Architecture, Columbia University, New York, 1985
I am satisfied that the two planes could not have taken down the Twin Towers without additional help.
Francesca E. Rogier, PhD
MSc Architecture, Columbia University, New York, 1985
East Chezzetcook, NS, Canada
Occupation: Architect
BS Architecture - University of Michigan, 1981; Master of Architecture - Columbia University, 1985; ABD, Mass. Institute of Technology, Doctoral program in the History, Theory, and Criticism of Architecture, 1995; Assistant professor, University of Kentucky
I am satisfied that the two planes could not have taken down the Twin Towers without additional help.
Dave Stewart, Construction Pro
Project Management
Construction Design & Management 1995/8
Loose Change, (did not beleive it all at first in 2007) 9/11 Demolitions (This did it for me) Zeigeist confirmed it for me. Now, this AE911 site is…
Dave Stewart, Construction Pro
Construction Design & Management 1995/8
London, OH
Occupation: Project Management
33 years in Construction at all disciplines, now building Hotels in the Caribbean as a project manager and developing designer.
Loose Change, (did not beleive it all at first in 2007) 9/11 Demolitions (This did it for me) Zeigeist confirmed it for me. Now, this AE911 site is truly well organized and at last getting some real credibility. So I have over 300 serious questions some at a high level Construction based query and some general questions relating to works and dealings that went on before the collapses. However many questions I may have does not give me faith in the system that was in place and predetermined to bring these asbestos laden buildings down and break every single record in the building and construction record books, my problem goes deeper. We knew about asbestos in the 60's. Why were these giant buildings ever allowed to be laden in asbestos at the time when we knew about cancerous fibers?
Rob Hansen, Autocad Operator
Associates of Occupational Sciences, CAD
The explanations given regarding the tragic events on 9/11 do not match with the evidence shown. The melting process of steel is not instant allowing a building to…
Rob Hansen, Autocad Operator
Associates of Occupational Sciences, CAD
Anchorage, AK
I have experience in electrical, mechanical, topographical mapping, and architectural disciplines using Autocad, as well as an auto tech repairman, motorcycle tech repairman, welding, fabricating, and fixing about anything that breaks.
The explanations given regarding the tragic events on 9/11 do not match with the evidence shown. The melting process of steel is not instant allowing a building to free fall perfectly vertical, four times in a row especially. The fourth building wasn't even hit, had a small office fire, and the same thing happened to it as well. Witnesses to large explosions knew it was coming down before it did. Steel would warp, and twist since the fire was not perfectly distributed, and the fail points would give away at different times due to varying loads, and design variances before failing in an uneven, and much slower fashion.
Robin B. Chase, Engineering Staf
Engineering, University of Maryland
I don't believe the myths about the collapse of the three buildings. I believe it was a controlled demolition. Similarly, I don't believe that a passenger plane hit…
Robin B. Chase, Engineering Staf
Engineering, University of Maryland
Tucson, AZ
Graduated 1969 with degree in Electrical Engineering with studies in physics, nuclear physics, chemistry.
I don't believe the myths about the collapse of the three buildings. I believe it was a controlled demolition. Similarly, I don't believe that a passenger plane hit the Pentagon. I believe it was a cruise missile. I also question the rationale for a complete air defense stand down during the event.
Mark P. Wilson
Architect/Entrepreneur
Bachelor of Architecture, Pratt University, 1985
My investigation into this started when I listened to some pilots explain from their perspective why those planes could not have flown into the towers. I then began…
Mark P. Wilson
Bachelor of Architecture, Pratt University, 1985
Charlottesville, VA
Occupation: Architect/Entrepreneur
Degrees (4 yr. BArch University of Florida and 5 year BArch Pratt University) and licensed architect with a solid understanding of structures and building methodologies. http://coroflot.com/mwilson
My investigation into this started when I listened to some pilots explain from their perspective why those planes could not have flown into the towers. I then began to consider the materials and structural considerations. A great deal is not explained by the official story.
Petition Signatories
Tor Spik
BorlNge, Borlänge, Sweden
Occupation: Studies
Tor Spik
BorlNge, Borlänge, Sweden
Occupation: Studies
I'm a Swedish student, currently studying on the Technical line in Sweden as a senior student (Year 3). Probably going for higher education in the form of engineering or game devolpment. This line I'm currently in is a mid range to high range education of Math/Physics/Chemistry etc. Though I only know the basics of physics, I'm good enough at it to understand that 9.82m/s^2 is not able to happen with 9/10 of the building below it.
Sally C. Avignone, MTS
Springfield, VA
Occupation: Art, Literature, Theology
Education: MTS, Wesley Theological Seminary
Sally C. Avignone, MTS
MTS, Wesley Theological Seminary
Springfield, VA
Occupation: Art, Literature, Theology
Artist and Teacher with degrees in literature and theology and career in studio art
The evidence of the scientists seems impossible to deny, though the implications are traumatic to contemplate.
Jennifer Oberg
MD
Occupation: Unknown
Jennifer Oberg
MD
Occupation: Unknown
Meri Runirill
Occupation: Unknown
Meri Runirill
Occupation: Unknown
Louise Meyer, MA
Washington, DC
Occupation: Unknown
Education: MA, Univ. of Mayland, 1964
Louise Meyer, MA
MA, Univ. of Mayland, 1964
Washington, DC
Occupation: Unknown
Expertise in solar cooking technology and co-founder of Solar Household Energy, Inc., a DC [???] NGO
Important
Marina Gutierrez
Kensington, CA
Occupation: Biology
Education: Degreed
Marina Gutierrez
Degreed
Kensington, CA
Occupation: Biology
Retired biologist.
Looked like controlled demolition.
Melodie Barclay
Berkeley, CA
Occupation: Unknown
Melodie Barclay
Berkeley, CA
Occupation: Unknown
Activist for many years re: nuclear power and testing and [have] done civil disobedience at Nevada Test Site. Also protest marches for peace and civil disobedience in San Francisco against the Iraq War in 2003.
The short fall of buildings in seconds and the smoke and debris spewing in all directions is a fearsome sight.
Nicola Broderick
Alameda, CA
Occupation: Sales & Marketing
Nicola Broderick
Alameda, CA
Occupation: Sales & Marketing
Once you understand the science and the evidence there is no going back. It changes everything.
Judson Ryan
Austin, TX
Occupation: Cook
Judson Ryan
Austin, TX
Occupation: Cook
Pissed.
Inside job.
Samantha Cooper
Austin, TX
Occupation: Ameri-Corps
Education: student
Samantha Cooper
student
Austin, TX
Occupation: Ameri-Corps
Was aware of injustice but felt like my voice wouldn't matter since I have been homeless and am currently working my way back up. Now I want to make a difference for future generations.
There are too many flaws in the evidence and contradictions. The facts seem inaccurate.
Ruth Chasse
Spencer, IN
Occupation: Caregiver For The Elderly
Education: Degreed
Ruth Chasse
Degreed
Spencer, IN
Occupation: Caregiver For The Elderly
I am a general studies graduate from Indiana University. I am a caregiver for the elderly and a business owner. I have helped to build many structures and understand what it takes to have a solid foundation for such a large building.
I feel that the explosions in Building 1 and 2 are compelling enough to warrant further investigation. Building 7 appears to be that of controlled demolition. The explosions and probable controlled demolition of building seven are enough to warrant further investigation so as to provide America's citizens with much needed answers.
Allison L. Hairston, Retired Building
Colorado Springs, CO
Occupation: Worked In Building Management
Allison L. Hairston, Retired Building
Colorado Springs, CO
Occupation: Worked In Building Management
In the past, I worked as a Planner Estimator in Building Management for the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority and the United States Department of State in Washington, DC.
I doubt the official story that has been presented to the public and want a new investigation to be conducted.
Susan Isaacs
West Hollywood, CA
Occupation: Dog Trainer And Behavior Consultant
Education: MSILR, Cornell University
Susan Isaacs
MSILR, Cornell University
West Hollywood, CA
Occupation: Dog Trainer And Behavior Consultant
Professional dog trainer and behavior consultant; former human resource development professional with extensive domestic and international business experience. Demonstrated results in internal and external consulting to improve performance and organizational effectiveness. Cross-cultural exposure working in Europe and Africa.
It was obvious to me, seeing how the 3 WTC buildings collapsed, that a controlled demolition was involved. The 9-11 Commission whitewashed the story, either ignoring or patently denying evidence presented to it that would explain what actually happened.
Michael Ruark
Aurora, CO
Occupation: Renewable Energy
Education: student
Michael Ruark
student
Aurora, CO
Occupation: Renewable Energy
Renewable Energies, Sustainable Living, Inventor, Investigator, Researcher and Truth seeker.
1975 North Tower fire burned for three hours, Building 6 raging fire, never fell, Building 6 crater/missile, Building 7 - where one is blown up, they are all blown up, Silverstein Pull It video, etc.
Katie J. Kent
Arvada, CO
Occupation: Computer Imaging
Education: Degreed
Katie J. Kent
Degreed
Arvada, CO
Occupation: Computer Imaging
I believe in finding out the TRUTH!!!! I am curious about life and I am very empathetic towards others. I try to absorb all the beauty of life that I can.
I saw what appeared to be calculated explosions occur several floors below the collapsing sections of the towers. There are not any visible concrete chunks of any size seen around ground zero. And there are pieces of steel beams lodged in buildings over 600 feet away! WTF!!!
Sandra Silvia
Portland, OR
Sandra Silvia
Portland, OR
Kristen Helm
Westminster, CO
Occupation: Healthcare
Kristen Helm
Westminster, CO
Occupation: Healthcare
Executive Assistant for 30 years. Thank you for providing this information.
Thank you for bringing this to the public's attention. I am shocked, but the truth about the explosions in the World Trade Center buildings is now clear. I agree that it is important that an in-depth investigation be done and I can't understand why our government would want anything less than a full investigation to learn the truth and to change security and safety practices in our American buildings.
Geneva E. Andrews
Dayton, TN
Occupation: Artist/Crafter
Education: BA, Eng. Lit., U of MO
Geneva E. Andrews
BA, Eng. Lit., U of MO
Dayton, TN
Occupation: Artist/Crafter
67 years old, female, retired from professional photo lab, English Literature degree from University of Missouri, 1967, additional schooling in education, biochemistry, communication design and art.
After visiting a friend near Nyack, I was on a bus heading into NYC on 9/11 when commuters began receiving phone calls about a terrorist attack; our bus turned around at the last opportunity before the Lincoln Tunnel. The rush to justify an unnecessary war made the official 9/11 story suspect. Everything presented by AE911Truth makes sense and a competent investigation should definitely be done.
Mohamad Haziq Amaluddin Bin Mohamad Azhar
Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia
Occupation: Diploma In Accountancy
Education: student
Mohamad Haziq Amaluddin Bin Mohamad Azhar
student
Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia
Occupation: Diploma In Accountancy
Conspiracy investigator, blogger, student, freelance writer and researcher on 9/11 conspiracy.
Daena Croghan
Patrick Air Force Base, FL
Occupation: Banking
Daena Croghan
Patrick Air Force Base, FL
Occupation: Banking
No technical experience, just an eye for the truth. I just wanted to sign the petition to ensure that the truth gets out there with the hopes that the powers that be will admit to it.
I knew from the second I saw the first building collapse that the plane or the fire was not the cause.
Stuart A. Gardner
Robina, QLD, Australia
Occupation: Former Construction Labourer
Stuart A. Gardner
Robina, QLD, Australia
Occupation: Former Construction Labourer
I am convinved that 911 is an inside job!! I am going to be a part of the team that PROVES IT!! That is why I just joined this site, because THIS IS the team who WILL PROVE IT!!! I will help this team with whatever I can, whenever I can!!
There is absolutely NO WAY that WT1, WT2 & WT7 collapsed solely due to the combined plane strikes & the fires caused by the aviation fuel! Those towers WT1 & WT2 were exceptionally strong! Leslie Robertson & his team made sure of that! There is no such thing as a coincidence! Too many things had to happen in an organised sequence, for these towers to collapse, it is impossible that thry all came together at that time & in the manner that transpired. The 911 Comission Report Confirmed that FACT!
Jean Evertsen
Fair Haven, NJ
Occupation: Education
Education: Degreed
Jean Evertsen
Degreed
Fair Haven, NJ
Occupation: Education
Educator interested in the truth about 9/11; worked with students in New Jersey who lost a parent.
It is clear that the evidence of explosives must be examined and their source discovered. The deaths of so many innocent people demand the truth.
Frances C. Ruggiero
Flagstaff, AZ
Occupation: Retiired
Education: Masters Education Ashford University
Frances C. Ruggiero
Masters Education Ashford University
Flagstaff, AZ
Occupation: Retiired
BA University of Arizona. Majored in History and Italian. Masters in Education from Ashford University.
On Sept 11, 2001 as I watched the first tower fall live on TV, my first thought was that looks like a demolition. I do not know why that was my first thought as I do not have any experience or knowledge of engineering or demolitions. I have done a lot of research on 9/11 and have come to believe that the official version of the happenings associated with 9/11 is not the truth. I want our elected officials now in office to have a new and independent investigation of 9/11 so that the citizens of the US can finally learn the truth. The families of the victims and all American citizens deserve to know the truth.
Brad Homewood
Williamstown, VIC, Australia
Occupation: Reading
Brad Homewood
Williamstown, VIC, Australia
Occupation: Reading
Qualified tradesman in Landscape Construction. Worked for seven years in building construction, now driving a concrete truck for the third consecutive year.
I'm deeply disturbed by the self confessed inadequacies of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keene and Lee Hamilton), and the complete lack of respect that has been displayed towards peer reviewed science (Dr. Niels Harrit and Dr. Steven E. Jones). Nothing short of an independent, comprehensive, and transparent investigation, with the power to subpoena will be credible, and will honor the memory's of the victims.
Douglas P. Shelley, Development Cons
Summit, NJ
Occupation: Real Estate Construction
Education: Master's Development, Univ Denver
Douglas P. Shelley, Development Cons
Master's Development, Univ Denver
Summit, NJ
Occupation: Real Estate Construction
Experienced real estate professional in construction and finance. I have 24 years of experience in commercial real estate.
After careful research of many publications worldwide, and reading all the evidence as produced by normal media, I think it is pretty clear that the buildings were taken down via controlled demolition, Building 7 in particular. The people responsible for this should be held accountable.
Chris Malendoski, MA
Norfolk, VA
Occupation: Commercial Real Estate
Education: MA Theology, Regent
Chris Malendoski, MA
MA Theology, Regent
Norfolk, VA
Occupation: Commercial Real Estate
Post graduate here and commercial real estate professional. Interested in the natural sciences and always looking for the truth. Which is why I am signing this petition. There are two many unanswered questions.
There are too many unanswered questions and now some incontrovertible evidence which directly contradict the NIST official report. A full-scale independent investigation is not only warranted, but public officials have a moral obligation and a duty to the American public of telling the truth, whatever those truths might be.
Richard B. Wilkey
Signal Mountain, TN
Occupation: Technical
Education: BA, Geology, St. Louis University
Richard B. Wilkey
BA, Geology, St. Louis University
Signal Mountain, TN
Occupation: Technical
BA in Geology, 35 years of activism for the environment and in opposition to wars of choice which make America the most hated rogue nation on Earth.
The obfuscation and obvious suppression of scientific data surrounding the event of 9/11 fuel my activism. I have studied and fully support the facts assembled by AE911Truth which the establishment, NIST, the government and the blinkered prestitutes in our national media refuse to even acknowledge. It has nothing to do with 'respecting' the victims - we are ALL victims in this and I am glad SOMEONE is digging for the truth.
Robert G. Tajima
Los Angeles, CA
Occupation: Meditator
Robert G. Tajima
Los Angeles, CA
Occupation: Meditator
I spent 20 years engaged in study and practice at a Buddhist retreat center and have engaged in the practice of tai chi for over 35 years. Beyond that, I have no particular qualifications. I have, however, for my own edification, spent many hours studying to further my understanding of the moment of human history we are currently transiting.
The truth about 9/11 needs to be known and deeply considered by all Americans.
John M. Smedes, Wqa Certified Wa
Lake Orion, MI
Occupation: Water Specialist
John M. Smedes, Wqa Certified Wa
Lake Orion, MI
Occupation: Water Specialist
I find this scientific evidence of significant value and not to be ignored.
There are just too many unanswered questions that we deserve the truth about. 2+2 does not equal 5.
Dan Helal, Musician
Ozoir La Ferriere, France
Occupation: Musician
Education: Degreed
Dan Helal, Musician
Degreed
Ozoir La Ferriere, France
Occupation: Musician
42 years old, Paris. used to live 10 years in Brazil where I intend to go back. I am a lightworker
It is so obvious that the Towers have been exploded... People are just robots, and it is with people like you that we are going to discover the truth.... Thank you The light and the unconditional love are on their way!! We have to accept the monsters as they are, without judging anyone... Love love love and..... Love
Michael D. Ronsonette, Rt(R) Interventi
Houston, TX
Occupation: Interventional Radiograpy
Education: AAS/Radiograpphy
Michael D. Ronsonette, Rt(R) Interventi
AAS/Radiograpphy
Houston, TX
Occupation: Interventional Radiograpy
Structural Design Draftsman for Fluor (1976-1978) Manufacturing Technician (1978-1983) ARMCO National Supply Interventional Radiographer M.D. Anderson Cancer Center (1997- )
I find it impossible to believe that these three buildings all came down according to the Official Story. I have done some design work, and I know for a fact that there are huge increases made to strengthen steel structures above and beyond what is needed. Then there is the pancake theory of the way in which the floors collapsed at free fall speeds. Incompetent and impossible. This does not even begin to address Building 7. All things considered, the entire group of events leading up to, including, and after the impact of the two airplanes on the World Trade Center needs to be completely re-evaluated.
Chad R. Carter, MBA
West Jordan, UT
Occupation: Auditing
Education: MBA, University of Phoenix
Chad R. Carter, MBA
MBA, University of Phoenix
West Jordan, UT
Occupation: Auditing
I am a financial auditor. I am experienced in following proper procedures in an audit to make sure a thorough examination is done.
The explanation given to the public about the events of 9/11 has too many holes and a thorough investigation was not conducted. This is the biggest event that has happened in my life time and a proper investigation is justifiable and necessary.
Michael Graham
London, London, United Kingdom
Occupation: Rail
Michael Graham
London, London, United Kingdom
Occupation: Rail
I was in the British army when 9/11 happened on a training exercise in Canada .
I have been watching all of the evidence that has been building up online and can see that the three buildings should not have fell the way in which they did especially in such a short amount of time. From what I have seen it also looks like explosives were used.