The AE911Truth Petition
To the Members of the House of Representatives and of the Senate of the United States of America,
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
Featured Petition Signers
Mary Tillman, BA
Family Service Counselor
B.A., History, San Jose State
It is not believable that the planes brought down the World Trade Center buildings. Building 7 was clearly a controlled demolition, which had to have been planned days…
Mary Tillman, BA
B.A., History, San Jose State
San Jose, CA
Occupation: Family Service Counselor
I have no technical background. I'm a concerned mother, grandmother, and citizen.
It is not believable that the planes brought down the World Trade Center buildings. Building 7 was clearly a controlled demolition, which had to have been planned days or weeks before September 11th.
Ephraim Resnick, PE
My Last Job, That I Retired From 2 Weeks
B.E.E. + credits to Masters from NYU
I lived and worked in lower Manhattan before the WTC was built. I witnessed and was involved in several projects within the WTC during and after its construction.…
Ephraim Resnick, PE
B.E.E. + credits to Masters from NYU
New York, NY
Occupation: My Last Job, That I Retired From 2 Weeks
Born and brought up in Manhattan during the depression. Attended primary school in lower Manhattan, Then, at age 7, moved to Peekskill, NY, where I completed grade and high school. Worked in Peekskill and NYC for almost a year. After Pearl Harbor, volunteered into US Army, where I remained in NY and NJ. Received medical discharge, and with VA scholarship, was able to complete 2 years at University of Arizona and then NYU, where I received a B. E. E. Continued studies at NYU graduate school while I worked as a graduate assistant in the Engineering Department. Worked for 50 years in construction design in and around NYC, including several years in my own engineering business. While working, bought and converted to residential use an old, empty industrial building within Ground Zero. Moved there with my family in 1992. Retired in August, 2001, went for short vacation to Italy, and returned to my own bed on September 10, 2001, where I was awakened by the sound of the first plane crashing into the WTC.
I lived and worked in lower Manhattan before the WTC was built. I witnessed and was involved in several projects within the WTC during and after its construction. On 9/11, I was awakened by the noise of the crash of the first plane into WTC 1 and witnessed the fire and distruction caused by that event. While I was watching, the second plane hit WTC 2. My wife and I left the area by bicycle 20 minutes before the collapse of the North & South Towers, which we witnessed from 1 mile north. My house is 2 blocks from WTC 7, which collapsed several hours later. I was allowed to return to the area 1 week later. I was disturbed by the height of the debris caused by the relatively small WTC 7 compared to the smaller mound from the Twin Towers. Since then I have been following the conspiracy theories, and have found much in them to be accurate and troubling more accurate than the official government reports.
Slava Rapoport, MEng
Meng Power engineering
Its obvious that more transparent investigation should be conducted with much wider public access to the testimonies, facts, findings, etc. Official version cannot be accepted and has to…
Slava Rapoport, MEng
Meng Power engineering
Gta, ON
worked in Israel and around N.America. mainly in high voltage power engineering.
Its obvious that more transparent investigation should be conducted with much wider public access to the testimonies, facts, findings, etc. Official version cannot be accepted and has to be revised to find out more details about three demolished buildings of WTC.
Franz J. Suppanz, Dipl. Ing.
Dipl. Ing., Tu Graz, Austria
Neither steel nor concrete can be burnt by open kerosene fires at all, especially not in a way that it just dissolves to dust. Given high enough temperatures…
Franz J. Suppanz, Dipl. Ing.
Dipl. Ing., Tu Graz, Austria
Graz, Stmk, Austria
Grown up in a smithy family. I am an approved welder and metal technican. I have a degree in mechanical engineering, and I am also an internet software enigeneer.
Neither steel nor concrete can be burnt by open kerosene fires at all, especially not in a way that it just dissolves to dust. Given high enough temperatures - the steel columns would have bent down in the area of the fire, leaving the lower sections intact.
John L. Bomback, International Fl
Flight Attendant
Bachelors- Earth Science
I can not ignore the overwhelming evidence that completely contradicts the official story that has been shoved down our throats by the media and the federal government. I…
John L. Bomback, International Fl
Bachelors- Earth Science
Georgetown, MA
Occupation: Flight Attendant
Bachelors of Science at Northern Michigan University, 1989. 19 years in the Airline Industry to present.
I can not ignore the overwhelming evidence that completely contradicts the official story that has been shoved down our throats by the media and the federal government. I do not want to live the lie.
S Doutriaux, MBA, BEng
B.Eng, MBA
Since 2006 I have reviewed a large amount of evidence that is available on this topic, considered and debated many opinions, met personally and spoke with several core…
S Doutriaux, MBA, BEng
B.Eng, MBA
Riex, Switzerland
Technology startup executive with an engineering degree and an MBA, both from top schools.
Since 2006 I have reviewed a large amount of evidence that is available on this topic, considered and debated many opinions, met personally and spoke with several core members of AE911Truth and other truth-seeking organizations, and I stand with the firm belief that the Twin Tower and Building 7 fell aided by controlled demolition. I do not like to speculate about anything that cannot be proven by scientific fact, and as such I do not hypothesize on what exactly happened on 9/11. I am however convinced there is a much deeper story that needs to be thoroughly and publicly investigated, so that the public at large can come to terms with the truth about what happened on 9/11 and who planned and benefited from it. It is only through society getting to the truth and coming to terms with an even like 9/11 that we can truly start addressing the broader challenges that our world faces, including wars, climate change, and education.
Hector Rodriguez Hdz
Architect
Universidad Anahuac
Hector Rodriguez Hdz
Universidad Anahuac
Mexico Df, Mexico
Occupation: Architect
Daniel D. Reeves, BS
Retired
B.S. Mechanical Engineer, Iowa State University, 1979.
The public deserves to know how the World Trade Center high rise buildings came down, so appropriate building codes can be revised accordingly.
Daniel D. Reeves, BS
B.S. Mechanical Engineer, Iowa State University, 1979.
Slater, IA
Occupation: Retired
BS Mechanical Engineer, 35 year career at major agriculture equipment manufacturer.
The public deserves to know how the World Trade Center high rise buildings came down, so appropriate building codes can be revised accordingly.
Christoph Kremin, Dr.-Ing.
Dr.-Ing., Mech. Engineering, TU-Ilmenau
Anyone with an understanding of the laws of physics, when being presented with the evidence, must come to the conclusion that the official theory about what happened is…
Christoph Kremin, Dr.-Ing.
Dr.-Ing., Mech. Engineering, TU-Ilmenau
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany
Education: Degree Mechanical Engineering (Dipl.-Ing.) - TU-Imenau 2005 Promotion (Dr.-Ing.) - TU-Imenau 2010 Experience: Mechatronics, Microsystem Technologies, Nanotechnology, Precision Engineering, Photovoltaics
Anyone with an understanding of the laws of physics, when being presented with the evidence, must come to the conclusion that the official theory about what happened is not only highly improbable but practically impossible.
D. Michael Collins
Architect
M Architecture, University of Colorado Denver, 1981
I hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 ' specifically the…
D. Michael Collins
M Architecture, University of Colorado Denver, 1981
Natick, MA
Occupation: Architect
BS Construction Management, Syracuse University, 1977. M Arch, University of Colorado Denver, 1981. I founded D. Michael Collins Architects in 1987, and am licensed in 3 states. I've been an architect and educator for 30 years.
I hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 ' specifically the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7.
J Kevin Vogel, P.e., BSME
Semi-retired
BS Mechanical Engineering, University of Santa Clara, 1964
The physical evidence for the destruction of Building #7 flatly contradicts the conclusions of the official inquiry.
J Kevin Vogel, P.e., BSME
BS Mechanical Engineering, University of Santa Clara, 1964
Post Falls, ID
Occupation: Semi-retired
BSME, University of Santa Clara, 1964. I spent 35 years in the electrical industry designing electrical distribution and controls for industrial, commercial, and residential facilities.
The physical evidence for the destruction of Building #7 flatly contradicts the conclusions of the official inquiry.
Kevin Dale, BS
Transmission And Distribution Operator
BS Electrical Engineering, Purdue University, 2014
Based on years of research available online, the events that took place on 9/11 were not accurately explained by the 9/11 investigation due to limited time and budget…
Kevin Dale, BS
BS Electrical Engineering, Purdue University, 2014
Greenwood, IN
Occupation: Transmission And Distribution Operator
I graduated from Purdue University (Indianapolis) with a degree in Electrical Engineering. I currently work in the power industry.
Based on years of research available online, the events that took place on 9/11 were not accurately explained by the 9/11 investigation due to limited time and budget as well as corruption within the government and financial entities.
Petition Signatories
Ryan J. Daniels
Wappingers Falls, NY
Education: High school level
Ryan J. Daniels
High school level
Wappingers Falls, NY
All though I am in High school I am well educated in science and engineering and it saddens me that a high school-er can accept this but other people cant for various reasons obviously.
Being from New York I've known and heard a lot about 9/11 and knowing people that were there at the time. I just wish people would be as informed as I am.
Jennifer Rogers
Bass Lake, CA
Jennifer Rogers
Bass Lake, CA
Dawn M. Clark
Belfast, ME
Occupation: Precious Metals Broker
Education: Bachelor of Arts in Anthropology
Dawn M. Clark
Bachelor of Arts in Anthropology
Belfast, ME
Occupation: Precious Metals Broker
BA in Anthropology from University of Maine, Orono.
It was a horrible planned and executed false flag.
Monique Dannrath
Richmond Hill, ON, Canada
Monique Dannrath
Richmond Hill, ON, Canada
A very interested human being and interested in hearing the truth. I am a university educated stay at home mother
I believe this was a false flag operation and the public has been lied to.
Paul Allen
Portland, OR
Paul Allen
Portland, OR
Retired, 4 year U of Pittsburgh PA. Psyc /soc. Worked in building trade while in high school. Built post and beam passive solar home in Ulster Pa. Had chimney sweep business, and worked with youth at risk during this time, 1980's. Moved to Portland OR, discovered KBOO fm 1992, have listened, became a member of KBOO since then and am very aware of the current state of our country. Thank you for your dedication to the truth.
Never made sense to me, and I was very suspicious, mainly because of the theft of the elections by the supreme court, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.
Richard L. White
Kirtland, NM
Occupation: Retired
Education: BBA
Richard L. White
BBA
Kirtland, NM
Occupation: Retired
Most of my work experience was in mortgage lending, real estate appraisal and acquisition. I'm retired from the city of Austin, having spent years in coordinating federal grants for nonprofit organizations.
It's time that the truth about the horrific destruction of the World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 7 is told.
Michael P. Mahoney
Broomfield, CO
Michael P. Mahoney
Broomfield, CO
Jaz Ellis
Brooklyn, NY
Jaz Ellis
Brooklyn, NY
I have worked in construction trades for 20 years as a carpenter and electrician throughout Manhattan and Brooklyn.
Too many discrepancies to deny an independent investigation..
Stephen Nutter
Cartersville, GA
Stephen Nutter
Cartersville, GA
Scott Boyer
Denair, CA
Occupation: Construction Management
Education: Construction Trade School
Scott Boyer
Construction Trade School
Denair, CA
Occupation: Construction Management
My Father is a retired Fire Fighter. I have been in construction for over 30 years, working with structural steel for many of those.
The official story just did not make sense to me. I was in disbelief watching those three buildings fall, especially the last one, #7. When I think of it now, I am absolutely amazed that so many people can be so easily fooled. If they would just THINK for a minute, they might realize.
Ivan Janssens
Westerlo, Belgium
Ivan Janssens
Westerlo, Belgium
Economist and libertarian. Living in Belgium. Originally a supporter of the Iraq-war and the war on terror. Now I know better.
How can a plane enter a steel building while remaining complete?
Mary E. Martin
Seguin, TX
Mary E. Martin
Seguin, TX
Some college, with medical & construction office management work experience.
I do not believe the official story that fire alone brought these buildings down. I do not believe 3 buildings fell in such a controlled manner, without explosives.
Steven Casey, BA
Orlando, FL
Steven Casey, BA
Orlando, FL
Customization and maintenance of Remedy systems; Lead engineer maintaining multiple servers in a load balanced environment; 10 mid-tier servers servicing 5 application servers load balanced with 2 reporting servers and a Crystal server in a primarily Solaris environment; five other environments configured the same way for production, along with development, pre-production and training environments, plus fail-over (200+ servers total); responsible for installing and patching LDM module (integration with USD-Legacy Tickets and Remedy application); responsible for technical documentation and creation of run-books for each environment; interface with clients to assist with their issues; assist junior team members with their tasks and training; current Remedy versions in operation, 7.1, 7.5, 7.6.04, 8.1;Service Level Management (SLM) 7.x, 8.1, configuration in multi-tenancy environment; collect and document application and infrastructure information for existing and new implementations; responsible for configuration identification, change detection, configuration status control and configuration audits;BA Visual Arts, Ceramics major, Psychology, Data communications, Business Mgmnt minors.
The entire 9/11 fiasco was just that, a fiasco. Nothing in any of the videos support what we were told. I believe thermite was used in bringing down the Towers.
Alex Terrell
Boise, ID
Alex Terrell
Boise, ID
I have a brain and can see the plain evidence before me
9/11 was a false flag operation and we must find out who orchestrated this event and bring them to justice.
Laura Tribble
Round Rock, TX
Education: B.S. Horticulture, Texas A&M University
Laura Tribble
B.S. Horticulture, Texas A&M University
Round Rock, TX
Involved in the field of Horticulture for over 20 years, nationally as well as internationally.
I knew the moment I heard and saw the Towers fall something was not right. When I heard about Building 7 falling I knew there was something else to the story.
Nikolay Nikolov
Dundonald, United Kingdom
Occupation: Quality Assurance In Manufacturing
Education: MS Tourism
Nikolay Nikolov
MS Tourism
Dundonald, United Kingdom
Occupation: Quality Assurance In Manufacturing
Education:- Technical College of Mechanics- English Studies, BA- Tourism, MS Office and network administrator (2001 - 2007) Quality Assurance in manufacturing (2007 - present)
The moment I saw the first Tower collapse I said to my wife this is not how buildings collapse, not on their own anyway. A further investigation into well-known facts confirmed what I already knew. I still wonder why the majority of US citizens do not seek the truth themselves. Hopefully things change.
Mackenzie O'connor
Merseyside, United Kingdom
Occupation: No Occupation
Education: Secondary School
Mackenzie O'connor
Secondary School
Merseyside, United Kingdom
Occupation: No Occupation
I believe that 9/11 was an inside job!, going into it that further it was all about the skyscraper destruction.
Len Piwowar
Garden City, MI
Education: Some college
Len Piwowar
Some college
Garden City, MI
I am skilled Electrician and concerned citizen. I have over thirty years in the electrical construction and maintenance field.
Many video's and reference material put into questions the validation of the Governments account of the reason for the skyscrapers collapse on 9/11. There should be real and full investigation until all questions are answered.
Jerry Anderson, BBA
San Clemente, CA
Occupation: Ceo/Manufacturer
Education: BBA-Marketing & Finance
Jerry Anderson, BBA
BBA-Marketing & Finance
San Clemente, CA
Occupation: Ceo/Manufacturer
Former 26 year developer of commercial (retail, office and vertical mixed-use) properties nationwide, and now, Founder & CEO of LightSaver Technologies, Inc., an Orange County, Calif. owner/manufacturer of the LinearStrobe' technologies and product lines which was invented in response to a near death experience. The company is devoted to growing a line of products that Save Lives. The company offers its product lines through a growing network of Authorized Dealers, Authorized Distributors and Manufacturer's Representatives and Direct Sales. The LinearStrobe Egress-Marking Visible Notification Appliance ('EMVNA) technology is safeguarded through a growing family of patents and patents-pending in domestic and multiple international jurisdictions. The company's development pipeline is developing multiple future generations of the product for a variety of applications for future releases over the next decade. The company is also engaged in innovation and product development unrelated to the LinearStrobe which are focused mostly in lifesaving technologies and revolutionary life-accommodating products which are in the company's patent and development pipeline.
A total and complete hoax on the nation. We must soundly and scientifically investigate the matter with unfettered objectivity and without bias, just as we would any other heinous crime in our nation. We cannot allow our apathy or fear to dissuade us from finding the truth.
Francesca Belmer
Tempe, AZ
Francesca Belmer
Tempe, AZ
Some college. Career in EdTech.
I just want to know the truth. Science is fact.
Alexander Leytman
Glenview, IL
Alexander Leytman
Glenview, IL
Bachelor of Fine Arts in Moving Image, Marketing Floor Plan Designer
I agree with the mission statement of AE911. There is more behind what the government has disclosed.
Michael W. Peck
American Canyon, CA
Michael W. Peck
American Canyon, CA
Retired after 40 years in the US Merchant Marines. I worked on a supply ship as 3rd engineering officer during the first Gulf War. I worked mostly as ship electrician. I've visited 115 different countries and lived in the Philippines for 12 years, mostly in the 1980's. My wife is from the central Philippines and both of my sons were born there. I have lived in American Canyon, the most southern town in Napa, CA about an hour NE of San Francisco since 1994.
I consider the Government's official 9/11 story to be a fairy tale for children and an insult to the intelligence of Americans. Initially I did believe their story but as I did more research it slowly came apart. I hope the criminals responsible for the murder and deception will be brought to justice.
Sharon Mckeiver
Rochester, NY
Occupation: Retired
Education: 2 yrs. college degree
Sharon Mckeiver
2 yrs. college degree
Rochester, NY
Occupation: Retired
Human services, plus many personal experiences which lead me to work in the human service field.
It never felt right, common sense says an airplane hitting a building with explosive on it wouldn't take the whole building down.
Dawn M. Porter
Maidstone, VT
Occupation: Retired
Education: College
Dawn M. Porter
College
Maidstone, VT
Occupation: Retired
I believe what were told is wrong and that the truth needs to be heard.
Leroy Widmann
Ohio, OH
Leroy Widmann
Ohio, OH
Another human who would like to see the world change for the better. No child ever should be hungry or cold. Earth is rich and has enough to offer, even for the 7000 million humans and other species living here, but things have to change, quickly!
1. Independent researchers around the world have assembled a large body of evidence that overwhelmingly refutes the notion that airplane impacts and fires caused the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7. This body of evidence, most of which FEMA and NIST omitted from their reports, instead supports the troubling conclusion that the skyscrapers were destroyed in a process known as 'controlled demolition,' where explosives and/or other devices are used to bring down a building.- Demolition theory proponents, such as Brigham Young University physicist Steven E. Jones, architect Richard Gage, software engineer Jim Hoffman, and theologian David Ray Griffin, argue that the aircraft impacts and resulting fires could not have weakened the buildings sufficiently to initiate a catastrophic collapse, and that the buildings would not have collapsed completely, nor at the speeds that they did, without additional factors weakening the structure. -2. The towers which opened first on April 4, 1973 - at that time being the tallest buildings in the world - required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years before.'On September 11, 2001, the three worst structural failures in modern history took place when World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7 suffered complete and rapid destruction' http://ae911truth.org 3. In January 2001, Larry Silverstein made a $3.2 billion bid for the lease to the World Trade Center. Silverstein was outbid by $30 million by Vornado Realty, with others also competing for the lease. However, Vornado withdrew finally and Silverstein's bid for the lease to the World Trade Center was accepted on July 24, 2001, about 6 weeks prior to the attacks. This was the first time in the building's history that the complex had changed management.When attacks really took place on 9/11, Silverstein's insurance plan happened to cover terrorist attacks 'by chance'. But that just wasn't enough, Silverstein filed a lawsuit against the insurance company wanting a double payment, since there were two planes that crashed into the World Trade Center Towers. The court acknowledged his claim therefore Silverstein was paid $4,550,000,000.
Nicholas Baylis
Bristol, VA
Nicholas Baylis
Bristol, VA
A student of life for 50 years or so, now with some ability to see through the deceptions of a deeply troubled world.
A false flag job intended to bring war and chaos to the world in an attempt to gradually gain control of its entire population.
Lori A. Groh
Schodack Landing, NY
Occupation: Merchandise Cordinator
Education: SIU
Lori A. Groh
SIU
Schodack Landing, NY
Occupation: Merchandise Cordinator
Sculptor, Prop Builder, Product & Set Display Artist
I believe there needs to be a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. I don't believe the Towers fell due to planes crashing into them. Everything I have read tells me that it's not possible for the Towers to have failed the way they did.
Paul Loucka, BS
Port St Lucie, FL
Occupation: Retired
Education: BS Geology
Paul Loucka, BS
BS Geology
Port St Lucie, FL
Occupation: Retired
BS in Geology from SUNY Brockport 1981Worked as a field engineer for Schlumberger for over 30 years. Worked on drilling rigs during the drilling of oil and gas wells. I started out as a mud logging engineer ( analyzing the drill cuttings and determining lithology, monitoring drilling parameters and gas analysis to detect abnormal pressure - Gulf of Mexico)Then I became an MWD/LWD engineer (using down-hole instrumentation tools incorporated in the drill string to identify lithology and hydrocarbons in real time while drilling). I spent the last 15 years of my career with Shlumberger as a directional driller (steering the well to the geologic target, and helping to remedy drilling engineering problems arising during the drilling of the well).
I believe that all three World Trade Center buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition. Wall street had for-knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. There was an astronomical amount of 'Put' options against the airlines involved (basically 'insider trading') If Wall street knew, then I believe that factions of the US government also knew, and planned to allow this to happen (diverting the air defense of the east coast of the US on 9/11) and also were involved with arming the buildings with explosives to perform a controlled demolition after the buildings were struck by the passenger jets.
Rod Kane, BBA
Fergus, ON, Canada
Rod Kane, BBA
Fergus, ON, Canada
BBA
Why the stonewalling?
Christie Seymour
Sibley, MO
Christie Seymour
Sibley, MO
Farmer, Sales, Homemaker, wife, mother and grandmother.
General Wesley Clark said the plan was to take out 7 countries of the Middle East. It is clear, the plan is to gain full control of the Middle East. They carried out this false flag atrocity to get us over there. We must NOT fight their wars for them!
Paul F. Karthaeuser
Easton, PA
Occupation: Self Employed Chimney Contractor/Construction
Education: B.A. Busines Mgmt
Paul F. Karthaeuser
B.A. Busines Mgmt
Easton, PA
Occupation: Self Employed Chimney Contractor/Construction
I have been self employed in chimney and venting systems inspection, installation, repair and construction for the last 10 years. I have been recognized as an expert by the New Jersey Superior Court system and was also a NJ State licensed Building Inspector (residential).
I have been following the developments since the beginning and am thoroughly convinced that there is much more to the story than the official narrative given us by the 'powers that be'. Many many details do not add up to the reality of what happened that day and I want the truth to come out.
Susan Kaminski
Ashfield, MA
Occupation: Self Employed
Education: Post BA
Susan Kaminski
Post BA
Ashfield, MA
Occupation: Self Employed
I am a human being who does not like to be lied to and who thinks everyone's lives matter and people's lives should not be used for the enrichment of others. I have suffered immeasurable loss of love ones myself and my heart breaks for anyone whose loved one has died for the evil purposes of others. That is all that is relevant about me. I am horrified that people have suffered at the hands of others and it is cloaked in false patriotism and sentiment.I am particularly sickened on this anniversary to see so much flag draped sentimental drivel from people who are absolutely unwilling to investigate truth.
I am a private citizen who hates lies and causing suffering.
Micheljoy Delre
Laguna Niguel, CA
Education: Degreed
Micheljoy Delre
Degreed
Laguna Niguel, CA
I am a native Californian, college graduate, licensed minister, business consultant, leadership coach, a mother, and a grandmother. Most importantly, I am a registered voter!
It's time for you to wipe the grime out of your eyes, look at the reality of the evidence, and listen without prejudice to what you think you already know. You will be shocked! And, you should be.